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If you
haven't already done so, please read the Hawthorne section on
the Camera Towns page
City of Hawthorne Documents
(and Information)
Hawthorne, pop. 80,000, is just southeast of
LAX.
Some of Hawthorne's tickets can be ignored. If your
"ticket" does
not have the Superior Court's name and address on it, it is what I call
a "Fake Ticket." For more details, see the
Fake Ticket section on the Your Ticket page, and Set # 6, below.
Details of some 2004 - 2006 trials and arraignments of
Hawthorne tickets are at: Hawthorne Chronology.
Be sure to read the "Countywide
Information," which is Docs Set # 2 on the LA County Documents
page.

Hawthorne
Contacts
City Hall, 4455
W. 126th St., Hawthorne, CA 90250
(310) 349-2900
(1 block west of Hawthorne Blvd.)
Councilmembers' email addresses are:
Mayor Larry Guidi - mayorguidi@yahoo.com
Pablo Catano - pablo.catano@sen.ca.gov
Gary Parsons - gary@garyparsons.org
Ginny Lambert - Ginowl@aol.com
Daniel Juarez - djuarez@cityofhawthorne.org
Council meetings: Second and fourth Tuesdays at 6 p.m.
Opportunity for public to speak: After ceremonial items at
beginning of council meeting. Call (310) 970-7900 to confirm
council meeting date or to leave a message for the mayor or
councilmembers.
Hawthorne Chamber of
Commerce
4444 El Segundo Blvd., Hawthorne, CA 90250
hawchamber@aol.com
(310) 676-1173
Hawthorne Docs Set # 1
Signal
Timing
Updated 12-11-04
At the Aug. 24, 2004 court trials, Officer Mark Escalante
noted that the
city had filed, with the court, a survey of the timing of the
lights. This is that survey, obtained through a public records
request made to the City.

It
is clear to me that were Hawthorne to raise their left-yellows to 4.0
seconds, there would be a huge decrease in red light running, as there
was in Mesa, Arizona.
In
September
2004
I
lobbied
Mr.
Smith,
his
boss
Interim
Director
of
Public
Works
Stanley
E.
Scholl,
City
Manager Richard Prentice, Sgt. Keith
Kauffman who runs the camera program, as well as the entire city
council, to make that change. I showed them the Mesa
figures. But, as Mr. Prentice said, "We're not gonna change it."
A Change Occurs, Anyway
On
Oct. 14, 2004 I made a Public Records Act request for the signal timing
charts for Hawthorne's four camera-monitored intersections.
(Signal timing charts show the length of the yellow, as
programmed into the signal controller.) I asked for "...the
present signal timing settings. Also any previous versions...
(with) settings in use Jan. 1, 2003 or thereafter."
The request was sent to the County Department of Public Works, which
maintains and programs Hawthorne's signals. On Nov. 10 I received
the charts. The sole Hawthorne / El Segundo chart, dated 1998,
showed the same settings indicated in Mr. Smith's letter, above.
But there were two different charts for Rosecrans / Hindry. The
newest one, dated 9-29-04, showed a 4.0-second yellow for
northbound Hindry - different from Mr. Smith's letter.
(In these charts, northbound Hindry is phase 4.)

Click here to see
the complete 9-29-04 chart.
The other chart, below, was completed in 2001, and showed
the 3.0-second yellow mentioned in Mr. Smith's letter.
Since drivers in the northbound
left-turn lane have the option of going straight across (into the
shopping center), I believe that the yellow was lengthened because 3.0
seconds would be too short for that straight-through movement.
Click here to see
the complete 9-19-01 chart.
The new Rosecrans / Hindry
chart did not include a lengthening of the yellow
for the westbound left turn ("WBL"), Phase 5. It remains at 3.0
seconds. However, some of the supplemental pages (the charts are
actually 17 pages long, each) included some changes to the lengths of
the green lights at
various times of day. Those changes are presented in the table
below.
Phase
|
Time
of
Day
(M
-
F)
|
Up
to 9-28-04
|
9-29-04
and
After
|
4 - NB
|
5:30 -
9:30 a.m.
|
25
|
19
|
4 - NB
|
9:30 -
3:00
|
24
|
30
|
4 - NB
|
3:00 -
8:00 p.m.
|
24
|
25
|
5 - WBL
|
5:30 -
9:30 a.m. |
10
|
10
|
5 - WBL
|
9:30 -
3:00 |
17
|
25
|
5 - WBL
|
3:00 -
8:00 p.m. |
19
|
16 |
Table made by highwayrobbery.net
WBL = Westbound Left
NB = Northbound Straight and Turns
Why the Yellow Time was Changed
On Nov. 23 I made a Public Records Act request (to County
Public Works Dept.) for "the radar speed checks and
any other measurements of traffic conditions, speed or volume, that
were
ordered, or considered, as part of the Department's Sept. 2004
examination of
the timing of the signals at Rosecrans/Hindry and Hawthorne/El Segundo,
in the
City of Hawthorne."
On Dec. 10 I received the following June 14, 2004 chart, showing a 34
mph 85th Percentile speed on Hindry. There are no speed
limit signs posted on Hindry.

Each "x" represents one car in the speed sampling of 100 cars.
City Wants to Change It
Back to the Way It Was
At the trials of Jan. 11,
2005, Officer Mullen testified that the City was asking the county
(which maintains and sets the signal) to change the northbound Hindry
yellow back to 3.0.
If
you would like to let the county know your opinion about the change the
City is requesting, contact the office of the County Supervisor for the
district in which you reside. Their phone numbers are:
Don Knabe (310) 322-1222 or (213) 974-4444
Yvonne Burke (213) 974-2222
Zev Yaroslavsky (213) 974-3333 or (818) 901-3831
Michael Antonovich (213) 974-5555
Gloria Molina (213) 974-4111
Hawthorne Docs Set # 2
Ticket Counts
Violations Recorded,
Notices Printed, and Citations
Issued (4)
Updated 12-30-11
On
Oct. 6, 2004 the City Clerk's office supplied copies of RedFlex
invoices
containing monthly totals of Cites Issued (and filed with the
court). Those totals were
entered into the table, below, as "Totals Cites Issued per
Invoices." RedFlex invoiced the City $89 for each cite issued
(and filed). The invoices did not provide a camera-by-camera
breakdown of cites
issued.
On Nov. 10, 2004 the City provided a RedFlex "Customer Violations Report"
having
camera-by-camera data. While the Report did not include a
month-by-month
breakdown, it was possible to see that the Rosecrans / Hindry cameras
(which
started on April 19) had been averaging about 1000 notices per month.
That was the most I had seen up to that time at any intersection
in
California. That count equaled the 1999 - 2000 results from San Diego's infamous
Harbor
/
Grape
left-turn
camera.
On
Jan. 4, 2005 the City provided, for the first time, month-by-month data
for each camera. Additional
month-by-month data was received on June 3.
In Oct. 2010 I received data
covering 2005 to 2010, at six-month intervals.
In Dec. 2011 I received data covering late
2010 to 2011.
Snitch Tickets
The City's
use of
Nominations (a.k.a. Snitch Tickets) probably explains,
(A) the discrepancy between the figures for Notices
Printed and
Total Cites Issued (filed with the court), and
(B) the month-to-month
overlap in the serial numbers.
See the table's footnotes for further details.
Cam #
|
HAES
01
|
HAES
03
|
HAIM
01
|
HAIM
03
|
HIRO
01
|
IMFR
01
|
ROHI
01
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Haw-
thorne
@
El
Segundo
Left
|
Haw-
thorne
@
El
Segundo
Left
|
Haw-
thorne
@
Imperial
|
Haw-
thorne
@
Imperial
|
Hindry
NB@
Rose-
crans
Right
and
Left
(5)
|
Imperial
@
Free-
man
|
Rose-
crans
WB@
Hindry
Left
(5)
|
(3)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Serial
Number
Range
of Cites
Issued
This
Month,
per
Invoices
(6)
|
Total
Notices
Printed
as % of
Violations
Recorded
|
Total
Violations
Recorded/
Notices
Printed/
Cites
Issued
per
Invoices
(1) (4) (6)
|
Mar04
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Apr04
(6)
|
67
|
152
|
|
|
|
|
783
610
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
00695 -
00716
|
70%
|
1182
829
17
|
May04
(6)
|
139
|
108
|
|
|
|
|
844
640
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
00702-
01747
|
69%
|
1292
887
724
|
Jun04
(6)
|
134
|
84
|
|
|
1286
867
|
|
776
584
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
00703-
03344
|
68%
|
2444
1669
1150
|
Jul04
(6)
|
129
|
109
|
7
|
26
|
937
676
|
163
|
735
577
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
00744-
04702
|
73%
|
2312
1687
1036
|
Aug04
(6)
|
83
|
63
|
107
|
53
|
903
675
|
192
|
613
411
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
01321-
06444
|
68%
|
2313
1584
1387
|
Apr-
Aug
Totals
(2)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
9543
6656
4314
|
Sep04
(5)
|
107
|
58
|
47
|
74
|
692
497
|
101
|
573
374
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
65%
|
1934
1258
|
Oct04
|
91
|
54
|
120
|
65
|
374
260
|
122
|
417
284
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
64%
|
1568
996
|
Nov04
|
92
|
53
|
86
|
60
|
501
391
|
127
|
509
342
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
68%
|
1687
1151
|
Dec04
|
87
|
69
|
98
|
28
|
514
317
|
84
|
558
314
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
57%
|
1750
997
|
2004
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jan05
|
94
|
116
|
84
|
55
|
382
235
|
113
|
483
315
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
54%
|
1870
1012
|
Feb05
|
79
|
104
|
142
|
44
|
393
223
|
120
|
447
287
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
56%
|
1772
999
|
Mar05
|
48
|
103
|
181
|
43
|
490
276
|
109
|
457
298
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
59%
|
1789
1058
|
Apr05
|
83
|
104
|
186
|
31
|
1050
665
|
39
|
259
139
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
56%
|
2234
1247
|
May05
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jun05
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jul05
|
163
56
|
129
46
|
205
10
|
108
38
|
2695
479
|
144
57
|
130
51
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
3574
737
|
2005
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jan06
|
130
29
|
128
37
|
154
32
|
112
28
|
1899
955
|
132
68
|
53
18
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
2608
1167
|
Jul06
|
71
14
|
118
24
|
161
29
|
83
31
|
654
203
|
189
44
|
50
10
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1326
355
|
2006
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jan07
|
80
41
|
93
33
|
97
28
|
64
23
|
1066
541
|
113
57
|
57
26
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1570
749
|
Jul07
|
40
8
|
101
34
|
79
13
|
55
22
|
1237
542
|
101
33
|
203
78
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1816
730
|
2007
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jan08
|
36
19
|
64
23
|
74
17
|
57
26
|
921
577
|
84
51
|
79
47
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1315
760
|
Jul08
|
25
6
|
74
11
|
62
8
|
46
12
|
806
94
|
112
30
|
127
55
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1252
216
|
2008
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jan09
|
23
14
|
67
48
|
84
34
|
62
24
|
842
478
|
97
52
|
87
24
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1262
674
|
Jul09
|
15
8
|
65
33
|
70
34
|
67
30
|
858
412
|
116
56
|
121
71
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1312
644
|
2009
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jan10
|
31
24
|
69
43
|
68
43
|
45
28
|
663
360
|
52
43
|
294
85
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1222
626
|
Feb10
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mar10
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Apr10
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
May10
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jun10
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jul10
|
34
19
|
41
24
|
93
59
|
40
27
|
710
408
|
92
57
|
380
255
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1390
849
|
Aug10
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Sep10
|
24
15
|
80
35
|
85
44
|
51
36
|
650
358
|
87
66
|
358
263
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1335
817
|
Oct10
|
22
16
|
56
26
|
78
47
|
39
25
|
694
394
|
96
59
|
361
227
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1348
794
|
Nov10
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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|
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|
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|
|
Dec10
|
|
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|
2010
|
|
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|
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|
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|
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|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jan11
|
45
31
|
68
45
|
148
45
|
41
19
|
619
406
|
113
87
|
295
154
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1328
787
|
Feb11
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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|
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Mar11
|
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|
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|
|
|
|
|
Apr11
|
55
30
|
63
46
|
108
49
|
51
19
|
643
354
|
96
59
|
352
201
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1368
758
|
May11
|
|
|
|
|
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Jun11
|
|
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|
|
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|
|
|
Jul11
|
34
19
|
54
29
|
137
41
|
28
13
|
713
393
|
101
64
|
326
213
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1393
772
|
Aug11
|
59
23
|
77
52
|
236
54
|
42
30
|
665
372
|
113
70
|
451
303
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1643
904
|
Sep11
|
93
66
|
84
52
|
326
68
|
87
52
|
689
424
|
91
65
|
579
420
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1949
1147
|
Oct11
|
100
63
|
94
64
|
239
88
|
76
42
|
854
574
|
104
78
|
575
371
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
2002
1280
|
Nov11
|
84
68
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90
64
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158
59
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69
37
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669
446
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111
98
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677
423
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1858
1195
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Dec11
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2011
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Cam #
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HAES
01
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HAES
03
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HAIM
01
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HAIM
03
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HIRO
01
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IMFR
01
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ROHI
01
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Haw-
thorne
@
El
Segundo
Left
|
Haw-
thorne
@
El
Segundo
Left
|
Haw-
thorne
@
Imperial
|
Haw-
thorne
@
Imperial
|
Hindry
NB@
Rose-
crans
Right
and
Left
(5)
|
Imperial
@
Free-
man
|
Rose-
crans
WB@
Hindry
Left
(5)
|
(3)
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Serial
Number
Range
of Cites
Issued
This
Month,
per
Invoices
(6)
|
Total
Notices
Printed
as % of
Violations
Recorded
|
Total
Violations
Recorded/
Notices
Printed/
Cites
Issued
per
Invoices
(1) (4) (6)
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This table
made by highwayrobbery.net, using official city documents obtained
under the California Public Records Act.
( ) indicates a footnote.
(1) Totals as provided by the City.
(2) Totals by highwayrobbery.net
(3) Un-used columns are to allow for later expansion of City's
system.
(4) Figures in red type
(or, if you are looking at this table in black and white, the upper
figure when there are two or more figures in a cell) are what RedFlex
calls Total
Violations, or all incidents recorded by
the cameras, and due to time limitations may have been posted
only for selected months or locations.
If there is sufficient public interest, the remaining months will be
posted. The figures in black
type are what RedFlex calls Notices Printed, and represent the
sum of genuine citations issued (those filed with the court) plus
Nominations mailed (not filed
with the court, a.k.a. Snitch
Tickets). Figures in blue
type (or, if you are looking at this table in black and white, in italic type) are
total Cites Issued (filed with the court), per RedFlex's monthly
invoices to the City.
(5) On Sept. 29, 2004 the yellow for northbound Hindry was
increased, from 3.0 up to 4.0 seconds, and adjustments were made to the
length of the green lights. See Set # 1, above, for more details.
(6)
The only invoices (of Cites Issued) received covered Apr. to
Aug. 2004. The invoices did not contain a camera-by-camera
breakdown of Cites Issued.
Hawthorne Docs Set # 3
"Late Time" Graphs
The City has provided bar graphs
of Late Times, etcetera, for all of its cameras.
These graphs track violations recorded, not tickets issued.
Where there is a large number of long Late Time violations in a curb
lane, it is believed to indicate heavy ticketing on right turns.
(The curb lane will be the lane with the highest lane number.)

The picture above is an example from another city.
2006 Bar
Graphs
2010 Bar Graphs
2011 Bar
Graphs
Bar graphs are available for more than forty
other cities - see the list
in the expanded version of Defect # 9.
Hawthorne Docs Set # 4
Info on HPD Site?
I have not been able to find a red light
camera program info page on either the City's or the police
department's
website.
Hawthorne Docs Set # 5
Rosecrans / Hindry Cameras
Not Justified
New 11-14-04
Hawthorne's Rosecrans / Hindry intersection with its camera
enforcement on left and right turns, is an
excellent example of an intersection where there is scant safety
justification for the use of the cameras. Here you
can look at the official 10-year accident history for the intersection,
and decide for yourself. (Big file! 400 kb)
See also Defect # 9 on the Home page, and FAQ # 27.
Hawthorne Docs Set # 6
Snitch Ticket
Here's an example of a Hawthorne Snitch Ticket, a.k.a.
"Nomination"
Hawthorne Docs Set # 7
Read about the Mayor
and Council
Guidiwatch.com
is a website about Larry Guidi, the longtime Mayor of Hawthorne, who
chose to not run for re-election in Nov. 2011.
It discusses his friend and former fellow councilmember Louis "Big
Kitty"
Velez, who was indicted for felony conflict of interest in July 2007
and pled guilty in Feb. 2008.
And it discusses the 2010 charging of Mayor Guidi for grand theft from
his (now former) employer, the local school district.
Hawthorne Docs Set # 8
Trial Transcript
This Hindry-Rosecrans
right-turn trial
transcript shows how close a judge
can
come to convicting you - when it may not have been you - and also is an
example of
what may be improper arm-twisting by a judge.
Hawthorne Docs Set # 9
The Contract, Etc.
2003
Contract
2009
Contract
The 2009 contract includes, in its Exhibit
D, an illegal "cost neutrality" clause. (See Defect # 10
- B.)
The contract possibly provides a
monetary sanction against the
city if city traffic engineers lengthen the yellows. The contract
reads:
"Cost neutrality is guaranteed except as follows: If
the signal amber timings at the photo enforced intersections are not
set to the minimum requirements of Caltrans in California." (Exhibit
D
of
Contract.)
The passage is open to two conflicting interpretations.
1. The City is required to maintain yellows that are at least as
long as the minimum specified by the CalTrans - but they can be longer.
2. The City may not set yellows that are longer than the minimum.
The contract also says: "Definitions. 'Warning
Period' means a period after the Installation
Date of the first intersection approach..." (Emphasis
added.) See Defect # 6.
This list of contracts and amendments may not be
up-to-date - there could be a
contract or amendment later than the ones listed above.
Hawthorne Docs Set # 10
More
Coming
There may be some more Hawthorne information
posted in the next few weeks. Mark your calendar to remind
you to come back here and look!
Details of some 2004 - 2006 trials of Hawthorne tickets are
at: Hawthorne
Chronology.
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