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Police Going Too Far . . .
( Fake/Snitch Tickets )
. . . in Bakersfield, Del Mar, El Cajon, El Monte, Emeryville, Encinitas, Escondido, Fairfield, Garden Grove, Gardena, Hawthorne, Inglewood, Laguna Woods, Loma Linda, Los Alamitos, Marysville, Maywood, Millbrae, Modesto, Oceanside, Paramount, Poway, San Jose, San Leandro, San Mateo, Santa Ana, Santa Clarita, Solana Beach, South Gate, Stockton, Union City, Upland, Vista, Other California Towns, and Arizona Too

Be Prepared!

You've been around.  You grew up in Big City and you're street smart.  You've been to college, too!  On your computer you've been phished, Spammed, and hit with ever-mutating viruses, malware and pop-ups.  You probably think you've seen every sneaky trick, con or scam ever devised and that highwayrobbery.net is just going to tell you about something you heard about years ago.
Nevertheless, prepare yourself to be educated (even if you are a rocket scientist, a lawyer, or a veteran newspaperman), amazed . . .   and disgusted.  This section is about a scam coming from a place you would never expect it, your local police department.  They send out fake red light camera "tickets."
They call them Nominations.  I call them Snitch Tickets.

If the document you received does not give the name of the Court and its street address and phone number, or if it says, "Do not contact the Court," it may not be a real ticket.  It could be a fake - a Snitch Ticket - generated by the police.  Sample Snitch Ticket..

A real ticket will tell you to contact ("Respond to") the court . . .


(A portion of a real ticket)
The official format for a real ticket is on the website of the Judicial Council of California.



. . . and you should.

Your ticket is a real one if you can look it up on the court's
website.  But please note -
(a)  If it's not on their site, it still could be real!  Or, it could be a fake, a Snitch Ticket.
(b)  Make sure you are looking on the court's website, not the one where you go to look at the ticket pictures (which is operated by the camera company).

Your ticket is real if you've received a Courtesy Notice from the court.  But please note -
(a)  You could still have a real ticket even if you haven't received a Courtesy Notice.
(b)  A Courtesy Notice will never tell you to contact anyone but the court.

Your ticket could be real even if the court's phone number is missing and its address is incomplete.  That's because some cities are leaving that info off their real tickets, to make it harder for defendants to fight their ticket in court.  See Defect # 8 - C for more details.

If you are now sure that your ticket is a real one (not a Snitch Ticket), you can jump down this page to
Section 2:  "It's Not Me!" or Section 3:  Handling Your Ticket.  If you think it might be a Snitch Ticket (not a real ticket), continue reading here...

A Snitch Ticket should be handled in a completely different way from how you would handle a real ticket.

Before I go on about "What to Do about Your Snitch Ticket," I need to make sure you understand, with 100% comprehension, how to tell the difference between a Snitch Ticket and a real ticket.  The reason for the excruciating detail that follows is that Snitch Tickets and real tickets are to be handled so very differently that a mis-identification would lead to serious and irreversible consequences for you.

Warning to know-it-alls:  You will pay a big price for skipping ahead!

Snitch Tickets are designed to look very much like a real ticket - but are legally very different.  To add to the confusion caused by the similar looks, real tickets and Snitch Tickets both ask the registered owner to turn-in (or snitch on) the person who was driving the car.  Despite all that, there are some differences that you can rely on.  One of the best "tells" is that most Snitch Tickets will say, in small print on the back of the page, "Do not contact the court about this notice."

( "Tell:  A sign.  A behavioral clue that reveals something one tries to hide."  From The Urban Dictionary.)

Snitch Tickets also lack any wording directing you to contact or "Respond to" the court.  In fact, on a typical Snitch Ticket there is no phone number for the court, and the court's address usually is missing or incomplete.  (Please note, however, that in some towns the real tickets carry an incomplete address.  For more info about that, see Defect # 8 - C.)

Also, on a Snitch Ticket the police will not (we hope!) have used the heading "
NOTICE TO APPEAR" (the official name and heading for a real ticket).


What to Do About Your Snitch Ticket - Is It a Bluff? - Are They Just Phishing?

If you have received a Snitch Ticket, you can ignore it!

Police threats to place a "pending" flag on the DMV files (car registration and/or driver's license) of those who fail to respond to a Snitch Ticket are a bluff.

It's a bluff because a Snitch Ticket has no legal weight.  It has no legal weight because the city has not filed it with the court.  That's why a Snitch Ticket says, "Do not contact the court."  This pizza ad

ad: 2 lg. pizzas $15.99

has infinitely more legal weight than a Snitch Ticket.  (The pizzeria owner can be sued for false advertising if he refuses to give you the advertised deal.)


Snitch Tickets:  A Phishing Expedition

In the towns listed above the police are going to great lengths to get registered owners to identify who was driving their car.  In those towns, if the technicians reviewing the photos see that the pictured driver is obviously not the registered owner (gender mismatch, great difference in age, or a rental car) or that the photo is too blurry to be sure of who it is, one tactic they use is to send the registered owner an official-looking notice telling him that he must identify the driver.  (In the law enforcement business, they call these notices a "Nomination."  I call them Snitch Tickets.)  When I first heard about this "phishing" by the police, I did a little investigating.  The results are in the letter below, which I wrote to the supervising judge in El Cajon.

( Phishing:  Pronounced "fishing."  1. "This involves creating a replica of a legitimate web page to hook users and trick them into submitting personal or financial information or passwords."  From The Spam Economy.   2. "In computing, phishing is a criminal activity using social engineering techniques.  Phishers attempt to fraudulently acquire sensitive information... by masquerading as a trustworthy person.... Phishing is typically carried out using email or an instant message, although phone contact has been used as well."  From Wikipedia.com. )

December 14, 2003

Supervising Judge Herbert Exarhos
East Division, San Diego Superior Court

Your Honor:

I edit a website about red light cameras, www.highwayrobbery.net.

Recently I received an email from a motorist telling me about a notice he received from the El Cajon Police Department.  A copy of that notice is enclosed.

The notice, while it appears to be a traffic ticket, doesn't contain some of the important information usually found on a ticket, namely, the address of the court.  In fact, the notice says, "Do not call the court regarding this notice."  My correspondent told me that when he contacted the police and twice asked for a court date, he was told that he could not have one unless he filled out the form supplying the name of the driver.

I phoned the ECPD myself, and pretended to be a recipient of one of their notices.  I asked if I could simply bypass the police, and go directly to court.  The ECPD told me that the court wouldn't have a record of the ticket, so I wouldn't be able to appear.  Then I asked if I could ignore the notice.  The ECPD said it would remain "pending" at the DMV and that I would not be able to renew my registration.

There is a lot of arm-twisting done by police departments in connection with camera tickets, but El Cajon's is far beyond any that I have seen.  Would you please let me know if the ECPD's procedure meets with your approval?

Sincerely,


Judge Exarhos did not reply.  On May 28, 2004 I sent the same letter to DMV Director Chon Gutierrez in Sacramento, but with an additional question:  How would a motorist go about removing such a "pending" flag from the DMV files, so that he can renew his registration?

On Sept. 24, 2004, DMV Director Gutierrez replied to my May 28 letter and sent me a
letter noting that DMV staff had contacted the El Cajon police department, and that "The representative [of the ECPD] stated that it is not the practice of the agency to place a law enforcement stop in the DMV database on pending red light violations."  In an earlier phone call, DMV staff told me that unpaid parking tickets are the only reason for which a city is permitted to flag your registration, and that only a court can flag your driver's license.


Snitch Tickets:  Still Not Convinced?



Here is a discussion that occurred in court, under oath (Hawthorne trials, Oct. 19, 2004).
Judge: "What if I loan someone my car?"
Officer: "If we know that's not you, we send a Nomination."
Judge: "Are they required to tell you who it is?  If they don't?"
Officer: "There's no law saying they have to."

Here is a
page with stories from people who have dealt with their Snitch Ticket.

So far, I have had no report of any further pursuit, by the police, of people who have ignored a Snitch Ticket.  I think the police have not designed a follow-up tactic because the Snitch Tickets are so successful - I estimate that 90% of recipients are tricked into responding.

If you still are not convinced, and are worried that something might be going on at the court, you could look up the phone number of the court (in the phone book or on their
website), call them and ask if an action has been brought against you.  Then if you are still unsure, run it by a friend who is an attorney or knowledgeable in legal matters.  If you don't have an attorney friend who will consult for free, you can get a consult from one of the traffic ticket attorneys in your phone book (or from an attorney whose name you can get from the bar association referral service) for as little as $35.  If you follow this "attorney" route, you will need to explain carefully to him or her what it is you have received, as many attorneys have never heard of these Snitch Tickets.  You will want to point out to him (a) that there's no court address, (b) the "don't contact the court" language, and (c) that you have called the court and there is no record of the ticket.


Creepy Phone Calls - Another Devious Tactic

I've only heard of this happening one time, but ya never know...
One police officer phoned the home of a male registered owner, hoping that the female driver he saw in the camera photo would answer the phone.  A woman answered.  The officer identified himself, then started talking about a red light running incident, then finally asked her to identify herself !
Your mother taught you what to do with creepy phone calls, didn't she?  After all, how do you know it's not a prank call from Ashton Kutcher (of the TV show "Punk'd")?


Snitch Tickets:  Why Do They Do It?

He doesn't really NEED all those fish...
( "Fish:  Jail term for new prisoners."  From The Hobo Traveler. )

So far, the common thread is that most of these "Police Going Too Far..." cities use RedFlex as their camera vendor and have contract terms which give either the city or RedFlex (or both) a big monetary incentive to issue more tickets.  If you're not satisfied with such a simplistic explanation, read on...

There are two different situations, depending upon whether the contract between the city and the vendor was signed before, or after, Jan. 1, 2004.  A typical contract (Inglewood's) signed before then requires the city to pay RedFlex approx. $90 for each real ticket RedFlex prints and mails (whether or not the city collects any fine money).

When the police are first processing the photos and they see that the face photo is obviously** not the registered owner, or that it is of such poor quality that it would probably not be accepted by a judge as proof of who the driver was, they sometimes send the registered owner a notice ("Snitch Ticket") - which the City doesn't have to pay RedFlex for.  Sending you the Snitch Ticket is the police's attempt to get you to identify the driver, thus providing the proof they need.  Once you have filled-out the blanks on the Snitch Ticket form, the police can be pretty sure that a ticket will stick and that they will be able to recoup the $90 it will cost them to have a real one issued.  So they go ahead and have RedFlex issue (print up and mail) one.

Contracts signed after Jan. 1, 2004 cannot, by law, provide for a per-ticket payment to the vendor.  It has to be "flat-rate."  A typical flat-rate contract requires the city to pay the vendor a rent of $6070 per month per camera.  Even though the city is not paying for each ticket issued, their need to recoup the rent gives them a big incentive to issue more tickets that will stick.

**Here is another reason some police choose to issue a Snitch Ticket instead of a real one.  In the landmark 2001 decision that closed-down San Diego's first red light camera system, Judge Styn wrote:

"2. Gender Mismatches"
"The most disturbing testimony at this hearing came from Officer Smalley who testified that even when he had a 95 percent belief that the individual in the photograph was not the registered owner because of a fairly obvious gender difference, he would issue the citation on the theory that he was not 100 percent certain. This procedure has been halted over the objection of Officer Smalley. The police now do not issue citations where there is an obvious gender discrepancy between the driver and registered owner. Further, the prosecution has moved to dismiss the gender mismatch cases pending in this court. Therefore, there is no need to analyze whether such a prior procedure constituted outrageous governmental conduct."

From Section III(B)(2) of the Aug. 15, 2001 ruling in People vs. John Allen.



Why Do Snitch Tickets Work So Well?


They'll say anything!  This is the envelope one Snitch Ticket arrived in.

From an Internet newsgroup discussion:

Post-er # 1:  "BS.  It is self-evident that any so-called citation which doesn't tell you when and where to challenge it in court, is not a legal ticket."

Post-er # 2:  " 'Self-evident' only to those of us who have been pulled over by a cop and given a regular ('good old fashioned') ticket a few times.  I admit that that describes me.  I suspect it describes you, too.  You and I know what a real ticket says and what it orders you to do.  But there are at least two groups of people who don't have that knowledge.

1.  Your auntie, who never has had a ticket in her life, until now she gets one in the mail.  (Cameras with too-short yellows tend to catch mature people, who drive at moderate speeds.  The young lead-foots are going fast enough to make it through on a short yellow.)

2.  People here from another country where tickets are handled in another fashion, such as by payment directly to the officer who pulled you over.  That's not just Mexico, by the way."


And a Couple More Reasons...

Snitch Tickets are working because the major media (TV, major daily newspapers) refuse to warn the public about them.  An occasional
story gets out, though.

Probably the biggest reason Snitch Tickets work so well is that they take advantage of your trust and confidence in the police.  "Confidence" is the first word in "con man."



Other Confidence Men are Thinking:  "If People Will Pay Snitch Tickets, Why Not . . . "

Here's an excerpt from an
article in the Nov. 27, 2004 San Diego Union-Tribune.
"San Diego police are warning of a scam that involves letters to people supposedly caught speeding by a hidden camera.  The letters demand payment of $295, and warn that failure to send in the money could result in suspension of the person's drivers license."
Here is a website that has images of the fake speeding ticket letter.


Some Non-Motoring Confidence Scams

1. The school scrip scam.  Many elementary school PTA's or PTO's station a parent volunteer out in the parking lot to sell "scrip" to parents who are coming by, delivering their kids to school.  The scrip is similar to a gift certificate, and can be used to pay for merchandise at local grocery stores, candy stores, etc.  The scammer purchases a large amount of scrip, by personal check.  By the time the PTA or PTO finds out that the check was bad, the scrip has already been exchanged for merchandise.

2. The interest rate scam.  I added this "non-motoring scam" box because earlier today while I was pedaling my exercycle and watching the Morning Show, I got a call from a lady offering to lower my credit card interest rate to 6.2%.  Or was it 2.6?  She said there would be no cost to me - the government and the mortgage industry were sponsoring the program, to help keep the American economy alive.  She asked me if I owed a lot, and what interest rate I'd been paying.  I told her that both figures were sky high.  She asked me a few other easy questions, and once we'd gotten to know each other, she asked me to read her my card number, the expiration date, and the three-digit security code off the back.  Then she put me on hold to see if I would get approved for the rate reduction.  She came back in a few minutes, said that my bank didn't recognize the card number!  Could I read it to her again?  I complied, including correcting a transposition I'd made earlier, but it still didn't work.  We tried a couple more times, but after 25+ minutes, she gave up, told me that I would not qualify.  Oh well... next time I'll be sure to put my glasses on.


Snitch Tickets:  Do They Issue Just a Few, or a Lot?

People who have responded to a Snitch Ticket are reluctant to admit it.  So, "interviewing the public" is not a good way to find out how common Snitch Tickets are.
Here is how I became aware of how often Snitch Tickets are issued.
I was looking at some of the monthly invoices RedFlex sends to the City of Inglewood.  I had been told that the City's Crenshaw / 108th cameras had been closed down beginning Sept. 7, 2004, but I noticed that the invoices showed (real) tickets for that intersection still being issued as late as January 2005, with 204 being issued in the period Oct. 1 to Jan. 31.  The mailing out of Snitch Tickets (which RedFlex does not invoice the City for) is the only likely explanation for the time lag in the issuance of those real tickets. (For the raw numbers, see
Inglewood Documents, Set # 2.  Also see footnotes 8 and 9 under Set # 2.)
Another city that issues Snitch Tickets is Hawthorne.  To look at the numbers, see Set # 2 of
Hawthorne Documents.


Were You Snitched On?

If someone else turned you in (filled-out the affidavit giving your name and address to the police - who then sent you a real ticket - a Notice to Appear), you may want to talk to that person, as the document they received might have been a Snitch Ticket that they could have ignored instead of turning you in.
Of course, it might have been a real ticket that they received, in which case they had little choice - they would have to appear in court and tell the judge "It's not me!" if they didn't turn someone in.
But if you were driving a "company car" or a rental, it is likely that what the fleet manager received was a Snitch Ticket, not a real one.  You could try to teach the fleet manager how to tell the difference.
If someone supplied your name to the police, their written identification of you as the driver cannot be used against you in court.  And I have never seen an officer/prosecutor even try to do so, because it would so clearly be hearsay.  If the prosecutor was really desperate to convict you, he would need to subpoena the person who identified you to come to court and testify in person;  I have never seen that happen, either.
Ask me for more information.


Did You Snitch on Yourself?

If the original "ticket" was actually a fake ticket (Snitch Ticket) issued in your name, and you filled-out the affidavit form and later received a real ticket - a Notice to Appear - in the mail, your identification of yourself as the driver ordinarily could not be used against you in court, due to the Fifth Amendment.  Unless you were to testify that it was not you driving!
Ask me for more information.


Don't Do This!

It's legally OK to ignore a Snitch Ticket, but it is not OK to fill-in the name of someone who doesn't exist and thereby send the police on a
Wild Goose Chase.


Snitch Tickets:  Getting the Word Out

Please "spread the word" about Snitch Tickets.  
Here are materials you can pin up on bulletin boards, to warn others.

Please also let me know about your Snitch Ticket - especially if yours is from a town not yet mentioned in the list at the top of this page.  Your information will help me keep track of which cities issue them, and how frequently they do so.  I would also like to know if you think that the name Snitch Ticket should be replaced with something like "Bluff Ticket."

For those writers/reporters/editors/publishers who may be hesitant to write about Snitch Tickets, I offer this from Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Gary Webb:

"If we had met five years ago, you wouldn't have found a more staunch defender of the newspaper industry than me . . .
"I was winning awards, getting raises, lecturing college classes, appearing on TV shows, and judging journalism contests . . .
"And then I wrote some stories that made me realize how sadly misplaced my bliss had been. The reason I'd enjoyed such smooth sailing for so long hadn't been, as I'd assumed, because I was careful and diligent and good at my job . . .  The truth was that, in all those years, I hadn't written anything important enough to suppress."

From "The Mighty Wurlitzer Plays On" by Gary Webb, published as Chapter 14 of Into the Buzzsaw, Edited by Kristina Borjesson.

If you're not hesitant to write about Snitch Tickets, etc., click on: 
Info for Journalists.


Are Snitch Tickets One of Those "Only in California" Things?

Arizona has them too.  There, the Snitch Ticket will say, "This is not a summons to appear."  Some of them give the name of the court, but no court address.  For more info on Arizona Snitch Tickets, see the Mesa section on the Camera Towns page.
I suspect that there may be Snitch Tickets in use in other "
driver responsibility" states besides California and Arizona, but haven't been able to confirm that, yet.


End of the "Police Going Too Far..." (Snitch Tickets, etc.) Section

Who ever thought that this would be

The Good Old Days?


Your Ticket Page:
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"It's Not Me!"

If it's not you in the photo, you don't have to identify the person driving.

Is your name on the ticket, but it's someone else in the picture?  These tickets can put a point on your driver's license, so they have to have a picture of your face.  A picture of your license plate doesn't establish that you personally did the crime - it only establishes that your car did it, and anyone could have been driving your car.

There are two different "It's not me!" situations.
(1)  If the police sent you a paper that looks like a ticket, but it doesn't give the name and full address of the Court, or it says, "Do not contact the court" (in small print on the back of the page), it may not be a real ticket at all;  it may be a fake ticket, what I call a "Snitch Ticket."  Go to the section titled "Police Going Too Far...," above, to read about those.
(2)  If your ticket gives the name and full address of the Court and says you are to go there or "respond to" the Court by a certain date, that's a genuine ticket - keep reading here.


It's a Real Ticket - but "It's Not Me!"

The easiest way to dispose of an "It's not me!" ticket is to give the police the name of the person who was actually driving.  But if you don't want to turn them in, you don't have to.


Even though there is no law
requiring you to identify the driver,
most police departments, and even some courts,
will tell you that you must.
It is OK for the police to make such a false/misleading statement - they are allowed to lie to you!
But it is not OK for the court to do so.


( If you want to read more about why you don't have to ID the driver, scroll down to the subsection titled "It's Not Me!" - Why You Don't have to ID the Driver. )


"It's Not Me!"  -  First (Optional) Step (of four):  Contact the Police ?

Please be sure to read this First Step, even though contacting the police is totally optional.  And, before you take any action under this First Step, please read all of the Second Step, below.  

If the ticket is in your name but it's not you in the photo, and the photo is sufficiently clear that a comparison between it and your driver's license photo would raise a strong doubt that it was you driving the car, you could call the police phone number that is usually printed somewhere on the ticket, and ask them to dismiss the ticket.  (Please note that doing this - contacting the police - is optional.)  If you get repeated busy signals, no reply to voicemails you have left, or end up talking to a clerk who keeps saying, "Please identify the driver," you could try calling the Traffic Division at the police department directly, via the city hall operator, and asking for the officer who signed your ticket - or his boss.  And, you could, as many defendants do, make an appointment and go to the police department in person in hopes that you can convince them to dismiss your ticket.


Caveats - Beware!

1.  You can "dummy up" and refuse to tell the police who was driving your car, but it is illegal to send them on a
Wild Goose Chase by filling-out the affidavit (a.k.a. "Section D") with the name of someone who doesn't exist.

2.  If you were the driver but are not named on the ticket, you should not be the one to contact the police.  Leave that to the registered owner, or whoever is named on the ticket.

3.  Once your "It's not me!" ticket has been dismissed against you, the police are free to issue the ticket to someone else. They have several ways to find the other driver. If their workload allows them the time - and it appears that it rarely does - they can use their computer to look at all driver's licenses with the same mailing address as yours, and compare the photos. If that doesn't work, they can pull up the citation history for your car, check out any old tickets not issued to you, and look at the photos of those drivers. Or, if you have really ticked them off, they could do a stake-out on your house. (I have never heard of it happening, but it would not be illegal!)

4.  When you are named on the ticket but it was not you driving, it is actually better if the face photo is a clear one. Some judges, when presented with a blurry photo and an "Are you sure it's me?" motion from a defendant who hasn't volunteered to identify the driver, will find the defendant "guilty" anyway. Here is a
transcript where the judge came very close to doing that.



First Step, continued...  Notes from Defendants

The first of these notes suggests that contacting the police may be a waste of time, or it could even make things worse!

"I phoned the police department for my mother in order to have them dismiss any action against her (my 82 year old father was driving).  After harassing me to give him the name of the driver (and my refusal to do so), the police officer was able to look up my father's driver's license photo [since his license was at the same address as my mother's].  The citation came in the mail a few days later."


A visit to the PD:

"The picture of the driver in my ticket was blurry so I went to meet with the police to review the video and zoomed-in photos.  Immediately, the person there was convinced that I couldn't have been the person driving.  Like your website stated many times, this person insisted that I identify who was driving the vehicle.  This person explicitly told me that the responsibility to ID the driver was on my shoulders.  I didn't want to argue with the police officer at this time so I remained silent and gave a blank look.  My only intention today was to gather data and observe reaction.  I then asked a simple question about contesting the ticket.  Without answering my question, this person told me not to ask for a court date but instead ID the driver and let the new person go to court instead.  They further threatened that if I did not ID the other driver, they will look up all drivers at my residence and try to do a matching. [[See the purple "Caveats" box, above, about "matching."]]  I told them politely to go ahead and do it, and left the building."


Arm Twisting
In most cities, there's a lot of arm twisting going on!

Another phone call to the PD:

"I received a red light ticket in the mail.  The picture was not clear.  The ticket was issued in June but I didn't get the notice until October.  They had an incorrect address.  I called the # on the ticket (it was a real ticket, not a Snitch Ticket) and spoke to the officer.  I told him that it wasn't me.  I asked if HIS picture was clear.  He told me it was crystal clear (a lie).  I said that in that case I would go to court and get a court date and we would have the judge decide if it was me or not.  He said that if I would work with him he could take care of it over the phone.  I said what can you do?  He put me on hold for several minutes and came back and told me that they had a new system and it was hard to figure out (another lie), and to hold on again.  I held for several more minutes until he came back on and said, 'Since it isn't you I will dismiss it right now.'"


Another visit to the PD - with narrative by the defendant and his mom.  The defendant wrote:

"I appeared at the red light police officer's office.  He asked me who was driving and when I said it was not me he drilled me as to who was in the picture.  He kept telling me I must know the person and needed to tell him.  Then another officer came over, told me he thought I was protecting a family member and said I must know who it was and that I needed to tell him.  Thanks to your website, I learned the law does not require me to say anything other than ' it is not me.' "
From the defendant's mom:  "My son explained that he has a sister and maybe one of her friends took the car to go out for pizza or something, and went on to state he rarely if ever comes to [the city where the violation occurred] for any purpose (it is about 40 miles from his residence) and again reminded the officer he was there because he needs to have this ticket removed from his DMV driving record and it was preventing him from renewing his license.  The first officer again said, 'Who was driving? You had to know, you got to know who is driving your car.'  My son replied respectfully, 'Hey guys, I know it is not me.'  He mentioned again that he needed the ticket dismissed so that he could renew his license.  The main officer then said 'Well, I guess we have no choice but to dismiss it.' "
The defendant wrote:  "These guys really work overtime to force you to say who was driving.  They would not give me anything in writing that I could take to a judge to expedite the [renewal of my license]."


First Step, continued...

Based upon emails I've received from defendants, many police departments are threatening, like the ones depicted above - or worse.  But there could be exceptions.  Here is the letter one department (West Hollywood) sent to a defendant who had a question about his "It's not me!" ticket.

"This is not a problem for you. If you are not the driver of the vehicle, then you are not guilty of anything.  The law simply requires that we mail these citations to the registered owner of the photographed vehicle.
"The easiest way to resolve this problem is to come in and see me.  I take appointments every Wednesday between 9:30 and 11:30 am. I take walk-ins as well as scheduled appointments.  I'll examine the photos and if you are not the defendant or if the photograph is not legible, then I'll dismiss it.  It's that simple and the process takes less than 2 minutes.  We are located at the West Hollywood Sheriff's Station 720 N. San Vicente Blvd West Hollywood, CA 90069. Phone (310) 855-8850 ext. 505."

You do not have to tell the police who the driver was, either when you are talking to them, or by filling out the spaces on the back of the ticket.  One police department has even admitted that on TV...

Bakersfield PD Det. Mary DeGeare
"...sure, we think that you should identify the violator.... But there's no law that says you have to do that."
Bakersfield Police Public Information Officer Det. Mary DeGeare, on KGET, July 20, 2005.

The full text of the story is below.  If you would like to watch the video, KGET has it online.

Anchor Robin Mangarin:  Red light cameras can catch you red handed, but what if you weren't the one behind the wheel?  Should you be compelled to snitch on your wife or kids if they get caught running a red light?  KGET-17's Kiyoshi Tomono has the story of a Bakersfield man who faced that very dilemma.
Reporter Kiyoshi Tomono:  A flash of light and suddenly you're caught on camera and getting a ticket for running a red light.  It happened to local lawyer Bill Slocumb.  Thing is, neither he nor his wife was behind the wheel.
"My stepdaughter ran the red light southbound on Coffee Road onto Truxtun Avenue," said Slocumb.
But Slocumb's wife got the $350 ticket.
In the same envelope was a form encouraging the couple to divulge who may have been driving if it wasn't them.
They decided to fight in court.
Slocumb said the judge didn't push the issue and dismissed the ticket, but the Bakersfield police still wanted to know who was driving.
"The officer who apparently runs the red light program demanded [[during a phone conversation before the court session]] to know the name of the driver, the address of the driver, whether I knew if she was a California licensed driver or not, and we simply told him that we were not interested in providing that information," said Slocumb.
But does the officer's request or the city's form have any teeth?
Police said it's a matter of civic duty and safety.
"If someone is driving your car and they run the red light and they [[you?]] get the notification, sure, we think that you should identify the violator," said Det. Mary DeGeare from the Bakersfield Police Department. "It's an infraction.  It's a red light violation.  But there's no law that says you have to do that."
DeGeare said not being able to identify the driver is not the norm.
"There's a process in place that helps us identify who the driver is," she said.  "We're able to compare, usually, the violator's photo to their driver's license photo."
Reporter Tomono:  Bottom line, read the fine print.
Slocumb said he thinks he's lucky because he's a lawyer.
"I guess it was a happy ending and we moved on with our lives," he said.

From KGET-TV, with emphasis added, and clarifying notes in [[ ]].


First Step, more...

While you're there, get your Late Time!
And, write down the names of the officers you talked with.
(That info may come in handy later.)

If you have decided to visit the police, and your ticket was issued by one of the Nestor cities that doesn't print the Late Time on the ticket, or by an ACS camera that prints it so small and fuzzy that you can't read it, then while you are at the station be sure to ask the police to show you your Late Time.
(For more info about these tickets with missing or illegible Late Times, see Defect # 5 and the How to Read Your Late Time box in Defect # 7.)


First Step, almost done...

If It Obviously wasn't You, Should the Police Even have Filed the Charges ?

In the landmark 2001 decision that closed-down San Diego's first camera system, the judge wrote:

"2. Gender Mismatches"
"The most disturbing testimony at this hearing came from Officer Smalley who testified that even when he had a 95 percent belief that the individual in the photograph was not the registered owner because of a fairly obvious gender difference, he would issue the citation on the theory that he was not 100 percent certain. This procedure has been halted over the objection of Officer Smalley. The police now do not issue citations where there is an obvious gender discrepancy between the driver and registered owner. Further, the prosecution has moved to dismiss the gender mismatch cases pending in this court. Therefore, there is no need to analyze whether such a prior procedure constituted outrageous governmental conduct."

From Section III(B)(2) of Judge Ronald Styn's Aug. 15, 2001 ruling in People vs. John Allen.


This defendant got his gender mismatch ticket dismissed by writing to the PD:

"Dear Officer ______,   On Sept. 4, 2007 I spoke to you regarding citation # _______ which you issued to me on Aug. 14, 2007. In that conversation I informed you that I was living in (another state) and had been since April of 2007 and that I had not received the photo evidence used by you to issue the citation. After you stated to me that “It couldn't be you because it is a female driving the car,” it was mutually agreed that the driver of the vehicle shown in the photo was not the same person named in the citation. You then asked me to “nominate” the driver . I replied that I would not “nominate” anyone without seeing the photos first. I requested that you send me a copy of the photographic evidence so that I could review it. I have received the photos and after careful review I am unable to identify the driver shown in the photos. The photo quality is very poor and the driver appears to be wearing large sunglasses that cover most of the face. I am unable to positively identify the person driving in the photo you sent me and therefore cannot “nominate” the driver of the vehicle.
I am enclosing a color photocopy of my valid Calif. Drivers License and my valid (other state's) Identification Card. Both can be verified through DMV records. Both have a clear photo of myself. When compared to the driver in the photographic evidence you sent me there is clearly no evidence that the person named in the citation is the same person driving the vehicle on the date and time indicated. Based on the comparison of the citation photo and the ID / CDL photos included I hereby request that you dismiss the citation.
Respectfully,



If you visited the police but they refused to dismiss your ticket despite an obvious gender or age mismatch, and there is no way they would be able to find out who was driving your car (see the purple "Caveats" box, above), you could file a claim against the city for the wages you will lose while attending court due to their "outrageous governmental conduct."  If you file the claim well before your scheduled arraignment date, maybe the city attorney will figure out that it's best to dismiss your case before your claim mounts up.  Claim forms can be obtained by phoning the city attorney's office.  Or, you could contact the "public integrity" or "justice system integrity" division of the local district attorney's office, and complain to them.


Before you take any action under this First Step, please read all of the Second Step, below.


"It's Not Me!"  -  Second (Optional) Step (of four):  Get an Arraignment Date ?

If you decided not to contact the police, or you did and the police refused to dismiss, "twisted your arm" to try to get you to identify the driver, or are just dragging their feet and wasting your time, you could call the court and get an arraignment date.   (If it is inconvenient for you to come to an in-court arraignment in person, don't make an arraignment date.  Instead, see the "It's Not Me!"  -  Third (Optional) Step: Trial by Declaration section, below.)

If you're not sure what an arraignment is, see the big green
Confusing Courthouse Terminology box, below.


Four sneaky things to watch out for -

1)  If the Court's address and phone number are not on the ticket, the ticket may not be real! - Have a look at the "Police Going Too Far..." section, above.

2)  When you call some courts, you may get a recording that tells you, if you were not the driver, that you must identify the driver.  Or, it may say to call the "Traffic Violations Bureau," which will turn out to be the office of the camera company that is working for the city.  And the TVB attendant will tell you that you must identify the driver.  See this example from San Diego, Docs Set # 5.  Or, if you access the website for some courts, you may see a statement saying that you must identify the driver.   See these examples from Marysville, Docs Set # 1, and Bakersfield Docs Set # 12.

camera companies + police + courts =
Headline:  Axis of Weasel

3)  Even those innocent-looking courthouse phone/window clerks may have been trained to try to get you to identify the driver!

4)  Even some judges and their courtroom clerks will "twist your arm" to try to get you to identify the driver (during your arraignment appearance, and sometimes even at your trial).


If you encounter arm-twisting and/or false statements coming from a court,
please send me all available details.


Runaround by the court:

"I had success for a red light ticket issued by the _____ Police Dept. I happened not to be the driver of the car, so I followed your advice (and ignored the advice of many police and court employees) to request a trial and plead the "not me" defense. My initial attempts to get the ticket dismissed by ticket issuing authorities failed. The driver was a female with blonde hair, I am a male with no hair. It was pretty obvious that I wasn't the violator, but the police continued to play hardball and get me to submit the name of the driver in the ticket picture. I kept pressing for a trial. It took multiple calls to multiple agencies before I began to get any information regarding a court trial. I kept getting the story that a trial wasn't an option and that I had to ID the driver to get out of the ticket. I eventually got the appropriate information, mailed in two requests for a court date, and submitted bail. On a follow up call two weeks after my second request for a court trial, I spoke to a supervisor in the courthouse. He forwarded my request to the police for review. I think he was hesitant to assign a trial date because he understood the futility of a trial. A few days after speaking to the courthouse supervisor, I received my bail check and a note indicating that the police had dismissed the ticket. Success thanks to you and your website."
I wrote back and asked this defendant what his ticket looked like, and he replied:  "The front of my red light ticket followed the official format - the court's address and phone number were supplied on the front of the ticket; however, the back of my ticket (highlighting added by highwayrobbery.net), which give instructions for handling the ticket, provided vague and misleading information. The instructions that I received from the ticket handling agency in Arizona, the police, and the Superior Court, was to either pay the ticket or provide the required information of the driver of the car in the picture. No additional options were mentioned to me. This was told to me by a minimum of eight different people. The cop at the PD was both loud and insistent on this point. I was told on several occasions by clerks at the Superior Court that they COULD NOT give me a court date unless I agreed to being the person pictured in the car. Here was their rationale:
' The purpose of a trial is to judge the guilt or innocence of the person driving the car. As I was not the person driving the car, I could not request a trial. Only the driver pictured in the ticket could request a trial. Please provide the name and CDL# of the driver and they can request a trial.'
Only after insisting to speak to a supervisor or the supervisor of the supervisor, was I given instructions for requesting a court date."

The editor of highwayrobbery.net phoned this same court, and got the same runaround.  With two different clerks!  And, looking at the back of the defendant's ticket, there were four prominent mentions of "complete the affidavit" (a.k.a. "Section D") and only one mention, in the smallest type size, of the availability of a court hearing. (Highwayrobbery.net added the highlighting.)


( A request you could make at arraignment is for your ticket to be moved to a different courthouse.  See Change of Venue on the Challenges page. )

Second Step, continued...

At your arraignment, you have a couple choices of what to do.

(1)  Filing a "Demurrer."  If the person pictured looks very different from you and you've heard that your arraignment judge is unwilling to dismiss even obvious "not me" tickets, and you want to avoid going to trial (and having to post bail), you could file a Demurrer at the beginning of your arraignment session, instead of pleading not guilty.  See Defect # 8 - A, and ask me for more details.

(2)  Take your ticket with you to your arraignment and tell the judge, "Not guilty - identity" or, "Not guilty - wrong defendant."

The correct wording is important - a judge can't force you to identify who it is in the photo, unless you give up your right to not testify - by testifying.  So, you may want to avoid making statements that the judge might consider to be testimony, such as, "I was not driving the car," or even "It's not me!"  (Maybe I need to change the title of this section!)

If you know that it actually is you in the photo, you definitely can't say "It's not me!" as that would be perjury.  See FAQ # 21 on the Links page for more information about perjury.

A good judge will ask to look at your copy of the ticket (or he may ask the bailiff to look at it) - after all, all judges know that they're not supposed to send an obviously "wrong defendant" to a trial.  Then he may dismiss the ticket.

Here's an example.

"I got whacked with a collection letter for almost $700. I called the collectors and found out I'd been charged with a camera violation. I called the cops and asked for the photo ticket that I never received (must have been mailed to my former address in another state). The officer e-mailed me the ticket. When I saw it, it was quite clear that my wife was the driver -- though the ticket was issued to me (as per my registration of course). The picture was clearly a female driver. My name is Ralph -- clearly a man's name. Anyhow, after reading through your site, I decided to go down to the police station and ask them to drop the charge. The officer there said, 'No problem, just gimme the name of the cupcake driving and I'll be happy to drop the charge against you.' Disgusted, I turned on my feet and walked out. To which the officer said quite threateningly, 'Good luck in court, pal.'
The court date came, I saw the judge -- entered my plea of 'not guilty - identity.' He asked if the basis of my defense was that I wasn't the operator. I nodded. He asked if I had a copy of the ticket. I gave it to the bailiff, the bailiff gave it to the judge. He looked at it for a millisecond, and dismissed the case. Nice judge. BAD cop. It's like you said, a good judge doesn't wanna waste their or my time on a cr--shoot with no evidence."


A good judge won't ask "Who is it?"  But if your judge does, remind him that you have pled "not guilty" and have not given up your right to not testify, and ask him (politely, "With all due respect...") to either dismiss the case, or set it for trial, or Trial by Declaration.  (If the judge refuses to dismiss the case, and you can't afford putting up the full fine amount as bail, then this would be the time to talk to him about reduced bail, or no bail.)

If you ended up pleading "not guilty," you will next need to see the courtroom clerk, who will give you papers documenting what your trial date will be and how and when you must pay the bail (if any).  This is supposed to be a straightforward and businesslike transaction, but if your judge is one of those who asks "Who is it?," you may encounter more of the same from the clerk!  The clerk may try to intimidate you into filling out the form disclosing who the driver was;  he may even say that you must fill it out.  If telling him that you know that you don't have to fill out the form doesn't stop the pressure, simply tell the clerk that you'd like to see the judge again, to verify what the clerk has told you.

If the arraignment judge said that he thought it might be your face in the photo, and you responded by asking for a trial, then in the days after the arraignment you may want to do a
Peremptory Challenge, so that you will have a different judge at the trial of your "It's Not Me!" ticket.

Second Step, continued...  More Info about Arraignment

With an "It's not me!" ticket, the outcome depends upon the fairness of the judge.  If you would like to move your case away from a particular judge, or even totally away from the local courthouse, see Peremptory Challenge and Change of Venue, on the
Challenges page.

In a few cities, the judges have a computer on their bench, giving them instant access to the camera company's digital copies of ticket photos.  Before the arrival of these computers, when a defendant at arraignment told them "Not guilty - wrong defendant!" or "Not guilty - identity," the judges had to make their decision based upon looking at the photo printed on the defendant's copy of the ticket.   Many of those photos were poorly printed and indistinct, so they often had to tell the defendant to plead "not guilty" and come back for a trial during which the officer would be present to display the original photos.  Now, during arraignments, when defendants say "Not guilty - identity," they are now much more able to dismiss the ticket "on the spot."  And, they don't ask you to identify who it is in the photo.
Note:  Some judges have decided not to use the computer, even though they have one, and if there is a pro tem judge, he probably will not have been given the password necessary to use the computer.


"It's Not Me!"  -  Third (Optional) Step (of four):  Do a Trial by Declaration ?

Trial by Declaration on an "It's not me!" ticket is suitable for either of these two situations:
(1)  The mismatch between you and the driver is very clear, and it is inconvenient for you to come in for a court appearance, or
(2)  You wish to exercise your right to have the question of identity considered multiple times - at arraignment, in a TBD, and possibly in a Trial de Novo.
Trial by Declaration is discussed near the bottom of this web page, at the end of the Handling Your Ticket section, under the heading "TBD Situation # 3."


"It's Not Me!"  -  Fourth Step (of four):  Trial
(including Trial de Novo)


If it is inconvenient for you to come to a court trial in person, don't make a trial date right away.  You could try a Trial by Declaration (above).

If you are going to a trial on an "It's not me!" ticket, you should read all of Defect # 1 on the Home page, and also the
Handling Your Ticket section, below.

Once you get to the courtroom, hang on tight!  The officer who is there representing the city knows that a police agency is not supposed to file charges against someone when they have strong evidence that someone else committed the crime.  The officer also knows that if he does so, repeatedly, a judge may "call" him on it, as this judge did.

"2. Gender Mismatches"
"The most disturbing testimony at this hearing came from Officer Smalley who testified that even when he had a 95 percent belief that the individual in the photograph was not the registered owner because of a fairly obvious gender difference, he would issue the citation on the theory that he was not 100 percent certain. This procedure has been halted over the objection of Officer Smalley. The police now do not issue citations where there is an obvious gender discrepancy between the driver and registered owner. Further, the prosecution has moved to dismiss the gender mismatch cases pending in this court. Therefore, there is no need to analyze whether such a prior procedure constituted outrageous governmental conduct."

From Section III(B)(2) of Judge Styn's ruling in People vs. John Allen, the landmark 2001 decision that closed-down San Diego's first red light camera system.

The officer knows that he needs to avoid letting the trial go to the point where the judge sees the obvious mismatch between your face and the face in the photo on the ticket.  The officer's plan will be to wait for your case to be called, and then once you are walking forward, to quickly ask the court to dismiss the case.  But he also knows that the average defendant doesn't know about these problems, so in the minutes before the judge comes in, the officer will try to bluff you into giving up, changing your plea to "guilty."  See the trial examples below, written by other defendants.  If that doesn't work, then he (with the assistance of the court) will also try to "bribe" you into giving up:  Before the judge comes in, many bailiffs offer traffic school to everyone there who has not had it in the last 18 months.  They don't have to make that offer - once you plead "not guilty" the granting of traffic school is optional, at the judge's discretion - but it works to the court's advantage as it gets a lot of defendants to leave so that there's not so many cases to be heard.

At a trial, the judge can't force you to identify who it is in the photo, unless you give up your right to not testify - by testifying.  So, you may want to avoid testifying, or making statements that the judge might consider to be testimony, such as, "I was not driving the car," or even "It's not me!"

At a trial, the burden of proof is on the People, so the officer will talk first.  After the officer has shown his evidence to the judge and it is your turn to talk, you could make a motion by saying, "Your honor, are you sure it's me?"
Or, "Your honor, I request dismissal because the pictures do not show beyond a reasonable doubt that it was me driving the vehicle."
Or, even more formally, "I move to dismiss, on the grounds that the prosecution has not proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, the element of identification of the driver."
Or, "Your honor, would you convict a bank robbery suspect on such blurry photos?  This also is a criminal matter... the burden of proof is the same."

Whichever of the above wordings you decide to use, write it down ahead of time, and then when you get to court, read it to the judge  Don't ad lib !

If you want to be very sure that the judge understands that you are not testifying, you could tell the judge, before you make the motion above, that you don't intend to testify, that you plan to remain silent (except for making the motion).  Or, you could substitute the words "the defendant" or "this defendant" wherever "me" or "I" occurs in the motion.

If, despite all your precautions, the judge asks you if you were the driver, one or both of the following replies would be appropriate.
"Your honor, that's a factual determination for the court to make."
"Your honor, I'm exercising my right to remain silent."

If the judge claims that the wording you used ("Are you sure it's me," etc.) was testimony and that by saying those words you gave up your right to remain silent - and so won't stop asking you who the driver was - you could point out to him that the wording you used was identical to what a lawyer representing (a silent) you would have said if the pronouns "me" and "I" were changed into "my client," that you spoke those words while acting as your own lawyer, not as testimony - and that you retain your right to remain silent.  The judge should understand that what a lawyer says is not testimony.

I strongly recommend that you make a
request that your trial be recorded.  Otherwise, some judges will trample all over you.  It is best to make the request ahead of time, before the trial date.


Examples of "It's Not Me!" Trials

1.  This defendant took her gender mismatch ticket all the way to a court trial.

"My boyfriend had been driving my car. It was NOT a Snitch Ticket. They had actually submitted it to the court under my name even though the driver was obviously a male. The officer either didn't care to check, or, more likely, thought I would cough up the name of the driver. Everyone associated with these red light cameras had always assured us that an officer of the law would review the picture and if the driver didn't match the owner of the car, they wouldn't ticket the owner. Liars.
So, having read highwayrobbery.net, I knew what to do. I went to the arraignment and pleaded, "NOT GUILTY, WRONG DEFENDANT." The judge didn't bother to review the evidence and arraigned me - THE WRONG DEFENDANT ! I always thought they had to arraign the accused. I was proven wrong.
Note: at the courthouse, everyone I talked to asked me if I wanted to "nominate" someone else as the driver. I always answered, "I am not going to testify." They never pressed for a name after I said that.
I showed up for trial. About 20 minutes before our scheduled court time a cop showed up and asked everyone there for a red light camera ticket to step over to him. He then called us one by one and offered to show us the infraction on video. I declined. That seemed to throw him off. Make a note: do NOT let the cops schmooze you.
Anyway, there were a lot of "gender mismatches." In the hallway, before the cop got to me, I witnessed another cop schmoozing another woman. She had obviously never visited highwayrobbery.net. They were trying to coerce her to give up the name of the driver. I don't know the resolution of her case...
[When it was my turn] the cop pointed to the blanked-off picture of the front seat passenger and asked, "Is that you?" I answered, "Yes." I don't recommend that, however. You could do the "I'm not going to testify" even here; even though this is outside of court and thus not testimony, it could be entered as "admission." I'm not sure that would hurt since you could still choose, once the trial started, to not testify. So they still couldn't force you to cough up the driver's name.
Next the cop pointed to the driver and asked, "Who is that?" I answered, "I am not going to testify." The cop said OK and directed me to enter the courtroom and wait till my name was called. Next, to the trial. The judge called my name. As I was walking up to the podium, the cop moved for dismissal based on "gender mismatch." The judge granted it, and I was out!"



2.  Here's a defendant who showed up for trial and was given the "Third Degree" by the police. The defendant's story points out how careful you have to be when being interviewed by (or negotiating with) the police.  (Remember, you can "dummy up" and refuse to tell the police who was driving your car - you could even tell them that you don't want to talk to them at all outside of trial - but it is illegal to give them false information or send them on a Wild Goose Chase.)

"I just got back from my trial appointment and my case was DISMISSED! I followed your advice to the letter, I held firm, it got a little heated and the officer had the audacity to claim I was making false statements. Here’s how it went down.
The line was ridiculous by the way. Before you see the trial judge they send you to see the video or photo in a different department. After waiting about half an hour, I had the privilege of being interviewed by Officer R. Wiggums, from the city's police department.
We sat.
OFFICER: Who’s that? (Pointing to person in photo, obviously not me.)
ME: I want to see a judge.
OFFICER: What’s going on?
ME: I want to see a judge.
OFFICER: Well, we need to get some information first. Tell me who’s in the photo.
ME: I already told you I want to see a judge.
OFFICER (serious now): Okay, let me tell you what’s gonna happen if you don’t tell me who it is. I’m gonna do a Lexis-Nexis search on your address and if I find out who it is, I’m gonna file charges against you for making false statements, filing a false report.
ME (angry): I didn’t make any false statements. I told you, “I want to see a judge.”
OFFICER: Are you telling me you don’t know who this is?
ME: I’m telling you “I want to see a judge.”
OFFICER: And what are you gonna tell the judge when he asks you who it is?
ME (angry): When the judge asks me, I’ll respond to the judge.
OFFICER: Okay relax, I’m just trying to straighten this out and help you out.
ME (angry): No, you’re not. You just threatened me.
OFFICER: I didn’t threaten you. I just told you what’s going to happen.
ME (angry): Well I consider saying I made false statements a threat. I’m here for trial, that’s what I’m here for!
OFFICER: Okay, I’m gonna dismiss your case, but you’ll be hearing from the D.A."



"It's Not Me!" - Why You Don't have to ID the Driver

A judge can't force you to identify who it is in the photo, unless you give up your right to not testify.

On trial days, one judge (now retired) told the assembled defendants:

"There is one defense that I call the always-win-never-lose defense, pretty much an absolute defense in these tickets, and that defense is if you're not the driver of the vehicle.  Deputy Porche has two things that he has to prove to this court, by proof beyond a reasonable doubt this morning in each of your cases.  First, he must prove that a vehicle went through a red light.  Second, he must prove that you, the person cited, were the driver of the car.  The primary way that he proves that you were the driver is with the photograph or the photographs.  If the photographs are not photographs of you driving the car he has not met his burden of proof, you're 'not guilty,' end of case, we don't waste any time on those cases."
From: WeHo Trial Transcript


Here is an excerpt from a law review article, which says the same thing but in more formal terms:

"In every case, a registered owner will be acquitted if the prosecution does not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the owner was driving.  [Footnote 48]  The existing 1995 law does not shift the burden of proof to the registered owner.  [Footnote 49]  The owner must simply proceed through the established procedures for contesting a traffic citation;  the burdens of production and persuasion remain with the State of California."

"Footnote 48:  See Cal. Penal Code Sec. 1096 (declaring that, in a criminal proceeding, the burden of proving the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is upon the state)..."
"Footnote 49:  See Cal. Vehicle Code Sec. 21455.5(c) (stating no requirement that the defendant bear any burden of proof in defending herself against a charge for violating California Vehicle Code Sec. 21453(a))."

From:  Stop! Photographic Enforcement of Red Lights, by Steven Tafoya Naumchik, McGeorge Law Review 1999, page 838 (Cite as:  30 McGeorge L. Rev. 833)


And here is the same message, in a "real life example."

A convenience store clerk is shot.  The police examine the bullets and match the lands and grooves to information they have on file about a gun owned by you.  The security tape shows that the robber was alone and the picture is clear enough so that anyone can see it's not you, but the police charge you with the shooting anyway and you are hauled into court.  Your lawyer tells the judge it's not you on the tape.  The judge looks at the tape, and agrees.  Should he immediately dismiss the case, or would it be OK for him to delay letting you go, and question you as to who the robber was? 

Some people think it should be OK to delay - that a lot more crimes would be solved if such arm-twisting was legal.  But so far, it isn't.  No judge would dare try such a tactic with a defendant represented by a lawyer, but some judges can't resist doing it to "pro per" defendants in traffic court.

In some other countries this right - to refuse to identify who was driving - does not exist.  In England, if you refuse to identify the driver, they will double your demerit points!


If you are going to a trial on an "It's not me!" ticket, you should also read all of Defect # 1 on the Home page.


End of the "It's Not Me!" Section


Your Ticket Page:
- 3 -
Handling Your Ticket
( Including Collections, Traffic School, Reduced Fines, Trial, and Trial by Declaration )


Is It a Snitch Ticket?

If someone sent you a "ticket" that does not give the address of the Court, or which says, "Do not contact the court," that's not really a ticket at all - so go to the section titled "Police Going Too Far...," above.


Is Your Ticket "In Collection?"


If so, please read the information in this box.

Tickets in Collection

Many defendants never received their original ticket in the mail.  If your case is "in collection" (you got a nasty letter from a collection agency), go to or contact the courthouse and get a copy of the original ticket.  If you see that the original ticket was mailed to a totally incorrect address due to an error by the issuing agency, the service of the ticket could be defective and you may be able to make your ticket go away by "demurring" to it. Demurring is done "first thing" - at your first courtroom appearance - before entering any plea (guilty, not guilty, nolo contendere). It would be difficult, and probably ineffective, demurring at a trial. For details about demurring, see Fight Your Ticket, pages 10/22 - 10/23 (or, in the new 12th Edition, pages 175 - 178), and contact me.

If the original mailing of the ticket was to a "good" address for you (maybe it got thrown out with the junk mail, or you ignored it), you can still go to court, see the judge, and get the amount reduced by a lot.  You should not have to pay the collection in order to get a court date (an "arraignment").  Here's one defendant's story.

"I contacted the collection agency and they gave me new court date and didn't ask for any money. I refused to give them any information on my address, etc. Strange function for a collection agency, to set up court dates. On their records it showed that I had gone to court once already. I haven't. What a mess these court records must be. Anyway, I have to go to the Court in July. I will contact the police and ask for a copy of the ticket. I didn't know I could do that. Also, I checked with the DMV and I don't have a hold on my license and the collection agency told me that there is no warrant out for me--whew! Here's hoping that the picture is completely blurred or they dismiss the case."
Some months later the same defendant wrote: "I had court today. Paid the ticket [pled 'nolo contendere'] and was able to get the $300 for not showing up last time removed. Not a total victory but I'm happy. I have used a P.O. box forever and have that address on my license, registration and car title, but for some reason the police decided to access my physical address from the DMV and use it. According to the DMV, that isn't supposed to be done unless it is an emergency or criminal matter. I don't feel that the original traffic violation was a criminal matter but who's to say. The judge didn't seem to know or care one way or another. He was waiving the failure to appear charge for most people."

(There's another defendant's "collection story" in Step 2 of the It's Not Me! section, above.)

If the collection notice says that you have to call the collection agency in order to get a court date - and on the phone the collection agent tells you that you have to pay the collection or you can't have a court date - get the name of the agent, then call the court and complain.  Again: You should not have to pay in order to get a court date.

I have talked with many camera defendants who were in the "Collections" line at the courthouse.  They break-down into two categories.  Some have a collection for about $800 and a driver's license suspension for failure to appear ("FTA").  The others have a collection for about $600, no suspension, no FTA.  The people with the larger $$ amount and the suspension told me that right after they first received their ticket they had contacted the court, to get information or to take an extension.  By doing so they acknowledged that they had received the ticket.  The people with the smaller $$ amount and no suspension had not acknowledged receiving the ticket - because they genuinely hadn't received it due to mail being misdelivered, not forwarded, or stolen.

When you appear before the judge, he will wipe out all of the collection fees.  But if you had an FTA, he will charge you approx. $100 in "court costs."

If you want to fight it, not just give up and pay the money, have a look at Defect # 8 on the Home page, this Arizona appellate court decision, and Penal Code Sec. 1214.1



Ignore It?

Here is another defendant's opinion of what to do with a (real, not fake) red light camera ticket:

"I have had many red light camera tickets in Beverly Hills and West Hollywood but never paid for any of them. I just ignored the notice and threw it away.  I also ignored the second notice that came in the mail stating that amount of fine is now doubled and collection action will be taken.  It is all a bunch of cr@p.
If you are an attorney, you should know that they have no proof of service and bench warrant cannot be issued.  They will never spend the money to serve every violator.
I advised all the people that I know to throw those tickets away and many did.  Years went by and nothing ever happened to anyone nor me.
I wish that everyone just threw these tickets away and possibly this nonsense would stop.  Thank you."

This defendant could have a surprise coming - at least one city is pursuing its collections via the Franchise Tax Board, many years later - see Set # 3 on the San Diego Documents page.  However, if you would like to see what he may be referring to when he says they have no proof of service, have a look at Defect # 8 on the Home page.


Dealing With It

If you don't want the worry of deliberately ignoring the ticket (who does? - unless it's a Snitch Ticket), please continue reading.



What's Your Late Time ?

Late Time is how long the signal already had been red (actually, how long power had been applied to the red light bulb) when your picture was taken.  If you cannot find the Late Time figure on your ticket, or it is illegible, see Defect # 5 and the How to Read Your Late Time box in Defect # 7.



Beating It on a Technicality

Technicalities having to do with late mailing of the ticket, improper proof of service, or an incomplete ticket, are described in Defect # 8 on the Home page.  Examine your ticket carefully!

Another technicality:  The contract - between the city and the company supplying the cameras - may be illegal.  State law says the city shall not pay the camera supplier on the basis of the number of tickets issued, or as a percentage of the revenue coming to the city from the court.  Despite that law, many cities have agreed to do so.  See Defect # 10 - B for more information.

And one more technicality:  One experienced defendant recommends that you immediately file an extensive
Discovery (to which the City must reply within 15 days), refuse to waive your right to a trial within 45 days ("speedy trial") and, when the City has not complied with the Discovery request, go to court and ask for dismissal of the case.  He admits that it does not work all the time in the lower (traffic) court, but will guarantee your conviction being overturned on appeal.


Change of Venue

You may want to consider trying to move your ticket to a different courthouse.  See the
Challenges page.


Confusing Terminology

If you're not sure what an extension to a "respond to" date is, and what the difference is between an arraignment and a trial, please read the info in this box.


Often-Misunderstood / Confused Courthouse Terminology

The Three Steps:  "Respond to..."
and Arraignment and Trial


1.  "Respond to..."

The first required step.  You must do something on or before the "Respond to" date printed on your ticket.  See details, below.

2.  Arraignment
The next required step.

3.  Trial
The last step, which is optional.


The Details

"Respond to..."

Your ticket should say, "You must respond to the court on or before ________ ."  That's part of the official format, so if your ticket doesn't have such a statement, it could be a fake ticket; see the Police Going Too Far... section, above.  If the ticket is not a fake, you will need to take one of the following actions by that "respond to" date (or any extension of it).

1.   Put it off:  If you need time to think or to get the fine money together, you can ask the court clerks for an extension; depending upon what county you are in, they will add 30 to 60 days to the "respond to" date.  (If you make your extension request over the phone, make a note of the name of the clerk you talked to, and the date and time you called.)  When that extension is about up you will have to make a decision:  If you want to do a Trial by Declaration, you will need to ask for it (and pay the bail) before the extension runs out.  (See the paragraph headed, "The Deadline to Request a TBD," below.)   But if you don't want to do a TBD, you could wait 'til the extension is about up, then call the court and set up an arraignment date, which will be 2 to 10 weeks (or more) away.  When that arraignment date gets close, you will need to decide whether to pay the ticket (see the paragraph below), or fight it at a "live" trial (see the Trial section, in this box).
2.   Arraign yourself, or schedule a date for an arraignment in front of a judge, or set up a TBD:  In California, traffic tickets are a criminal matter (the least serious kind, an infraction), so are handled somewhat like the more serious crimes.  First there is an arraignment, and then, if you want to fight the ticket, there is a trial.  (Usually on a separate date.)
3.   Pay it:  If you don't want to fight your ticket - you just want to pay it and get traffic school (assuming you're eligible for regular traffic school and have all the money together - or a credit card) - you can enter your plea of "guilty" and also pay the fine, both in the same visit to the clerk's window.  Or, you could do it by mail, phone, or even possibly on the Superior Court's website - you can avoid visiting the courthouse even once!  But there is a possible disadvantage of not going to court:  Some judges reduce the fine on certain tickets, such as rolling rights, or those with a short Late Time!

Arraignment

The basic purpose of arraignment is for you to enter a plea of "guilty" or "not guilty."  If you're pleading "guilty," you will also make arrangements to pay the fine.  If you're pleading "not guilty," you will set a date for the trial, and make arrangements to put up the bail.  With a serious crime, arraignment is always in front of a judge; but for your infraction, you may have the option to arraign yourself at the clerks' window, by mail, on the phone, in front of a judge, or even possibly on the Superior Court's website.  One form of "not guilty" arraignment is to request a Trial by Declaration ("TBD").  If you want to do a TBD, you will need to request it by the "respond to" date, or by the extended "respond to" date.  For more info about TBDs and the deadline to request one, see the Trial/TBD section below (in this box).

Arraignment in Front of a Judge

You don't have to do your arraignment in front of a judge (see above), but here are some good reasons to do so.  (You do not have to pay any money, or any "collection," in order to obtain an arraignment date in front of a judge.)

1.  You're planning to plead "guilty" - which by itself does not require an appearance before a judge - but you want to "plea bargain," see if the judge will reduce the fine, give you Community Service, or just extra time to pay.
2.  You're planning to plead "guilty," but you want to get Second Offender traffic school, which only a judge can give you.  (Also read the pink-ish box, below, for more info about Second Offender school.)
3.  You want to tell the judge that it was not you driving the car and get the ticket dismissed.  For a discussion of what not to say to the judge if it wasn't you, see the Second Step of the "It's Not Me!" section, above.  Please also note that many judges are unwilling to decide identity issues at arraignment and will suggest that you plead "not guilty" and go to trial - especially if the person pictured looks similar to you.  If the person pictured looks very different from you and you see that your arraignment judge is unwilling to dismiss even obvious "not me" tickets, and you want to avoid going to trial (and having to post bail), you could file a Demurrer instead of pleading not guilty.  See Defect # 8 - A, and ask me for more details.
4.  You want to get rid of collection fees or a "failure to appear."
5.  You're planning to plead "not guilty" and set up a trial date (things you could do by mail), but want to ask the judge for extra time to put up the bail, or for "OR" (no bail).  (Most judges are reluctant to grant "OR" - instead, they offer extra time to come up with the bail.)  Warning:  If you enter your "not guilty" plea by mail, or with a window clerk - not in front of a judge - you may be giving up your right to a speedy trial.  See FAQ # 28.
6.  You want to tell the judge about the city's failure to respond to your Discovery request.
7.  You want to make a request for Change of Venue (moves the case to another courthouse).
8.  You have mailed-in a Peremptory Challenge, but there has been no response from the court.
9.  You plan to file a Demurrer (per Defect # 8 - A, or in a "not me" case)
10.  Your arraignment appearance could be an extra opportunity to set up a Trial by Declaration ("TBD") - but only if the arraignment judge is nice enough to overlook that you are making the request well after the deadline - the "respond by date" (plus any extension of it).  (See the paragraph headed, "The Deadline to Request a TBD," below.)

An arraignment session is NOT:
It's not a trial, so the officer who issued your ticket will not be present.  As a result, you will not be allowed to argue your case, except for (possibly) the issue of identity.

Trial
or
Trial by Declaration ("TBD")

If you've decided you want a trial, you have a choice of a "live" trial, or a Trial by Declaration.

To set up a "live" trial you plead "not guilty" and make bail arrangements.  If you have the full bail amount available, you can enter your plea by phone or by mail so long as you act at least 5 days before your "respond by" date or any arraignment date you've set, whichever is later.  Otherwise, you can do it in person.  If you can't pull together the full bail, you can go to an in-court arraignment, enter your plea, and ask for "OR."  (Most judges are reluctant to grant "OR" - instead, they offer extra time to come up with the bail.)
At your trial there will be a representative from the police department that issued your ticket.  (It doesn't have to be the same person who signed your ticket.  See FAQ # 36.)  The trial will be your opportunity to question the officer, or ask the judge if he thinks the blurry or similar-looking person pictured on the ticket really is you.  At the trial you can still do some of the things you can do at an arraignment.  For instance, even if the judge has just found you "guilty," you can still ask for traffic school, Community Service, a reduced fine, or extra time to pay.  (You may or may not be granted traffic school, etc. - at a trial the granting of such things is at the judge's discretion.)

A TBD can be done without making any visits to the courthouse.  If you want to schedule a TBD, you will need to make your request by the "respond to" date or extended "respond to" date, and you will be required to post the full bail.  If you want to try to get some of that money back via Community Service or a reduced fine, you could request it in your TBD!
Because you will not be there in front of them, many judges will not entertain TBD questions about the identity of the driver.  But you could try it.  You can include a request for traffic school, either kind, in your TBD, in case you are found "guilty."
If you are found "guilty" in your TBD, you can ask for a Trial de Novo, a "live" trial.
See the TBD section, at the big green heading below.


If you have already pled "guilty" and paid your ticket, see "Appealing," way below.

Please first read the Home page, and on the Camera Towns page, the information about "your" town.


Is It a Snitch Ticket?

If someone sent you a "ticket" that does not give the address of the Court, or which says, "Do not contact the court," that's not really a ticket at all - so go to the section titled "Police Going Too Far...," above.


Step 1:  Extensions, Discovery, Traffic School, Preparation

Extensions & Discovery

If you just got a red light camera ticket, don't plead "guilty" right away, even if they'll let you go to traffic school.  In most counties you are eligible for an extension, no questions asked, and you won't be asked to post the bail or enter a plea.   The extension can be up to 60 days.   There's several ways to get one.
a)  You may be able to request the extension over the Internet - see your printed ticket for details.
b)  Call the court's phone number, which is listed on the ticket.  (If you make your extension request over the phone, make a note of the name of the clerk who you talked to, and the date and time you talked.  And, when you are talking to that "live" court clerk, find out what day of the week and time - morning or afternoon - the "not guilty" trials are held.  The information may come in handy later.)
c)  If it is at least five business days before your "respond by" date, you could request your extension by mail - but be sure to use Certified Mail, with a Return Receipt.
d)  Go to the courthouse and see the window clerks.  If you are going to the courthouse, you may want to schedule your visit at a time that court is in session, so you can go watch the judge in action.  See the "About Your Judge" box, below.

Once you have your extension, use the extra time to do the research indicated in Step 2 below.  If you are going to fight the ticket and want a preview of the documents and photos/video the City will present at the trial, do a Discovery without delay.  I strongly recommend doing so.  Details about Discovery are at:
Getting Records/Discovery.


Second Offender Traffic School, Reduced Fines, Payment Plans

If you attended traffic school for a previous violation that occurred less than 18 months before the date of your red light camera violation (the interval is measured between the dates the violations occurred, not between dates of conviction), you're probably not eligible for "regular" (8-hour) traffic school - So read the info in the box, below.


More About Second Offender, 12-Hour Traffic School ("2TS")

If you're not eligible for "regular" (8-hour) traffic school, you probably are eligible for "Second Offender" (12-hour) traffic school ("2TS").  However, the window clerks at the courthouse cannot grant you the 2TS - you have to ask a judge, and it is at his discretion.  Many judges freely grant 2TS, but some don't.   (See the Editorial about traffic school, on the Links page.)  One way to find out whether your judge grants 2TS is to go observe some traffic arraignments in his courtroom.  Or, if "your" city has its own section on the Camera Towns page, check there for information about the judge.

If your primary goal is to keep a point off your record, you could get yourself up to four opportunities to ask for 2TS.  (But be sure to read the "Caution" below.)

1.  At an arraignment.
2.  In a Trial by Declaration ("TBD").
3.  At the beginning of a trial or of a Trial de Novo.
4.  At the end of a trial or of a Trial de Novo.

At the arraignment, ask the judge there if you can have 2TS.  (Note that in this situation, the timing of your arraignment could be important - see "The Deadline..." in the TBD section, below.)  If the arraignment judge says no, then tell him you plead "not guilty" - and that you want to do a Trial by Declaration.  If your TBD gets assigned to the same judge who denied 2TS to you at arraignment, you may want to do a Peremptory Challenge so that a different judge will be considering your TBD.  In your TBD, include a request for 2TS.  If you lose the TBD and the judge does not grant your request for 2TS, then request a Trial de Novo - which might be in front of a different judge.  At trials, the first thing most judges do is to look at the face photo and decide whether they think it's you.  If he decides it is you, you could then ask for 2TS right after that.  If he says no to your request, then you should go ahead and argue the rest of your case.  If you are then found "guilty," ask for 2TS again.

Caution:
2TS Could be Worse for You Than No Traffic School at All


2TS keeps the point off your DMV record, just like regular 8-hour TS does.  The difference between 2TS and regular TS is that regular TS doesn't show on your public record at all (the public record is the one your insurance company checks), while 2TS shows as "traffic school."  The DMV doesn't write "second offender" or "12-hour" in front of the "traffic school" notation, but insurance companies are smart enough to know that if it says "traffic school" at all, that notation represents an attendance at 2TS.  They will also realize that you have had two recent tickets, even though only one will be showing.  Most insurance companies only care about points (which you won't have) and won't raise your rates just because you attended 2TS.  But I do have relatively reliable information that two major companies may raise rates because of attendance at 2TS.  You should check for yourself, with your agent - hypothetically, or anonymously - before you ask for 2TS.

For the official rules about traffic school, and some case law, follow the links at the bottom of the Editorial on the Links page.


Most judges offer some kind of time-payment plan to defendants who plead "guilty," to allow you a couple extra months to pay.  There is a $30 finance fee for that privilege, but it is included in the $39 traffic school fee.


Often-Misunderstood Courthouse Terminology*

"Suspended sentence"


Sometimes a judge will offer to "suspend your sentence."  That means that you will not have to pay the fine - but he or she is still finding you "guilty" and you will have a point on your record unless you go to traffic school.

*This is not the "big green" Terminology box!  Scroll up for it.


If you want to get away from a particular judge because he doesn't grant Second Offender traffic school, reduced fines, or a reasonable amount of time to pay, you can file a Challenge, under Code of Civil Procedures 170.3 or 170.6, to get another judge.  If your Challenge is successful and your judge was the only traffic judge in the courthouse, your case likely will be moved to another courthouse.  If you have pled "not guilty," that extra distance will improve the odds that the officer will not show up for your trial.  See:  Challenges.
But there is a deadline for filing a Challenge, and if it is now too late for you to file one, pleading "not guilty" is still a good idea - maybe the judge you don't want will be on vacation on your trial date, and the substitute judge will grant you the 2TS, reduced fine, or payment plan that you need.


About Your Judge

Checking Him Out in Advance

If you don't know what "your" judge is like - does he reduce fines, does he grant Second Offender traffic school, etc. - and don't want to wait 'til your arraignment (or trial) date to find out, you could go observe one of his court sessions.  I recommend, however, that you leave the courtroom before the last case is called.  Why?  If the judge has just called the last case on his list and he notices one more person (you) still sitting in the "pews," he will ask you, "Do you have a case scheduled today?"  You will have to explain that you are "just observing" - and he will end up remembering you.

Judge, Commissioner, or Pro Tem?

It may be to your advantage to have your case heard by a real judge.  If your case is scheduled to be heard by a commissioner and all the other courtrooms in the courthouse are presided over by judges, you may want to file a Challenge, so that your case might be moved to one of the judges.  You won't always get a judge, though, as they could instead move your case to another commissioner in another court building elsewhere in the county.
A Pro Tem is an attorney acting as a temporary judge, and you can simply refuse to have your case heard by one.  (If there is a Pro Tem, they ask you to sign a waiver.)  You don't have to use your one Peremptory Challenge to do so, either.


Preparing for Trial - and More about Traffic School

If you want to go to trial, you will need to plead "not guilty" and arrange for bail.  If you do not have the money, you will need to appear before a judge and ask for release on your "own recognizance" - abbreviated "OR" .  (Most judges are reluctant to grant "OR" - instead, they offer extra time to come up with the bail.) If you have the cash (or can put it on plastic) you can put up bail by mail or even on the phone.  (Warning: By bypassing an arraignment in front of a judge you may be giving up your "right to a speedy trial."  See FAQ # 28.)

If you want a preview of the documents and photos/video the City will present at the trial, file for Discovery (and issue any subpoenas for other documents) without delay.  (If possible, file for Discovery well before your arraignment date.)  Details about Discovery and subpoenas are at: 
Getting Records/Discovery.   Later, if the City has not supplied the Discovery materials you asked for, take the action recommended in Fight Your Ticket.   Request an extension if necessary.  Use the extra time to do the research indicated in Step 2 below.  (If you obtain your extension via a phone call to the court, make a note of the name of the clerk who you talked to, and the date and time you called.)

Defendants who go to trial and lose can still ask for traffic school (either kind), although the granting of it after you've pled "not guilty" is at the discretion of the judge.  If you receive reliable information that your judge hardly ever grants traffic school to those who lose at trial, consider doing a Peremptory Challenge.  Or, if after you asked for a trial you got a "Trial Date" letter or a "Notice of Trial After Written Plea" containing a statement similar to this one formerly found in notices from the Long Beach courts,


(Don't panic - it isn't true! - Editor)

you should file a Peremptory Challenge.  Be prepared to do the same if sometime during the trial session the judge announces a general policy of "no traffic school after trial."  And if it is too late to file a PC, you could try a Challenge for Cause - the prejudice being that by pre-determining your penalty, the court has pre-judged your case.  See:  Challenges.
If it was the bailiff, or (earlier) a phone attendant at the clerk's office who said, "no school after trial," ask your trial judge if it is true.
Further reading about traffic school is in the
Editorial on the Links page, the materials linked at the end of it, and the traffic school info in Step 3, below.

I strongly recommend that you make a request that your trial be recorded.  Otherwise, some judges will trample all over you.  It is best to make the request ahead of time, before the trial date.

If you have filed a Discovery request, doing so obliges you to discover your materials to the prosecution prior to trial.


Trial by Declaration

See the TBD section, at the big green heading below.


Step 2:  Investigation

Step 2:  Defects # 2, 4 through 8, and 10, are the focus here as they are the least subjective defects.  Either the signal had enough yellow time in compliance with Section 21455.7, or it didn't;  either the warning signs were big enough and posted on all four corners, or they weren't;   either the red light is visible in the ticket photo, or it isn't;  either the City issued warning tickets for 30 days when they started your camera, or they didn't;  either the ticket was mailed on time and with proper proof of service, or it wasn't;  either the City wrote up guidelines (and by the appropriate date), or they didn't; either (a non-grandfathered) city pays its vendor a totally flat rate, or it doesn't.

To find out if the intersection you were ticketed at has enough yellow, look up the legal minimum in the Yellow Change Interval table (see Defect # 2 on the Home Page).  Compare that with the amount the signal actually has.  The box below tells you how to determine that actual amount, and document it.


Step 2 (cont'd):  Measuring the Yellow - Some Methods

Method 1:  The Fastest - It Might Be on Your Ticket!


Some cities imprint the length of the yellow right on the ticket, sometimes in the very small print along the top border of the photos.

[Important Note:   While the ACS camera system used in many cities, such as West Hollywood, actually imprints the programmed yellow time in a black box right on the ticket photos, that figure may not represent, as we had been led to believe, the actual length of the yellow you would see while driving - as we found at Whittier / Atlantic in East LA.  (See the East LA section of the Camera Towns page, and Defect # 5 on the Home page.)]


Method 2:   Requires a Visit to the Intersection and a Stopwatch and/or Camcorder


A.  Go to the intersection with a video camera and a stopwatch.  Measure the yellow with the stopwatch, several times. Stopwatches aren't very accurate, but if the stopwatch reads more than (approx.) 0.4 seconds above the required minimum and about the same as the yellow imprinted on your ticket (if the ticket is from a camera type that imprints the yellow), the yellow interval is probably OK.

B.  Next, if the stopwatch time is less than 0.4 above the minimum, make a videotape (or a 30-frames-per-second video using your digital still camera) of the signal, as well as of someone's digital wristwatch (to document the accuracy of the speed of the camera), then play the tape a frame at a time and count the number of frames that the yellow is lit (stop counting when you see the red come on, even if the yellow still is glowing slightly).  Divide by 30 to get the number of seconds (or by 15, 16.4 or 30, whichever is the frame rate of your still camera).  If the result, rounded down to tenths, is equal to or greater than the required minimum and not greater than the yellow imprinted on your ticket (if any), the yellow interval is probably OK.  But if your result is less than the required minimum, or greater than the yellow imprinted on your ticket (if any), you may have found an illegal camera.  Keep the tape.  Get someone else to make a back-up tape of the signal, with another camera and another wristwatch.  A video camera, because of its frame rate of 30 frames per second, is more accurate than a digital still camera which most likely will have a frame rate of half that.


Method 3:  Get the Violation Video and Count the Frames

(Requires Advance Planning!)

If your ticket was from a camera that takes a 12-second long video of each violation, you can measure the yellow by counting frames on that video - similar to the method immediately above.

But first you will have to obtain a copy of the video.  You do that via Discovery - see the
Getting Records/Discovery page.  Once you have the video, use a program such as Windows Movie Maker to play it.


Step 2 (cont'd):  Length of Yellow

If you have checked the length of the yellow and it appears to be shorter than the length required for the posted speed, get a certified copy of the signal timing chart for "your" intersection. 

Or, if the yellow appears to be long enough for the posted speed but you intend to argue Defect # 3 because there is a big difference between the 85th Percentile speed and the posted speed limit, get two things:  (1) A certified copy of the speed survey for "your" street and (2), ask me to send you a copy of my appeal briefs.  

Details about making requests for city documents are at:  Getting Records/Discovery.


Step 2 (cont'd):  Are Warning Signs OK?

Warning signs must be posted facing all four directions of traffic at the camera-enforced intersection (even if the cameras are monitoring just two directions).  (Alternately, the city may post signs at all major entrances to town.)  The warning signs must measure at least 42" top-to-bottom.  If they are less than that, or obscured by trees or parked vehicles, or of a non-standard design (see Defect # 4 on Home page), take pictures or video to document the situation.  Be sure to document the date.


Step 3:  The Not-Guilty Trial:  Defenses, and More about Traffic School

The following advice is about a live "not guilty" trial.

I strongly recommend that in advance of your trial date you make a
request that your trial be recorded.  Otherwise, some judges will trample all over you.

Show up at court!  Many cases are dismissed at the trial session, because of bad photos or other technical problems.  Or sometimes because the officer didn't show up.  But those dismissals don't apply to defendants who don't show up.

Once you get to the courtroom, hang on tight!  Sometimes the police have lost or garbled the electronic evidence.  Or, the camera company didn't send the data disk on time.  Or, their laptop is broken.  Or, often, they realize that the face photo is not of the quality required by the judge who will be trying the cases.  A lot of things can go wrong!  The officer knows that once the case is called, he's going to have to ask the court to dismiss it.  He also knows that you don't know about the problem, so in the minutes leading up to the trial he may try to bluff you into giving up, changing your plea to "guilty."  He (with the court's assistance) may also try to "bribe" you into giving up:  Before the judge comes in, many bailiffs offer traffic school to everyone there who has not had it in the last 18 months.  They don't have to make that offer - once you plead "not guilty," the granting of traffic school is optional, at the judge's discretion - but this plea bargaining works to the court's advantage (it promotes "judicial economy") by getting a lot of defendants to leave so that there's not so many cases to be heard.  If you don't take the bailiff up on his offer, and go ahead and argue your case, are found "guilty," and then ask for traffic school, your chances of getting it are much lower.  Some judges don't give it at all, post-conviction, because they can see that granting it would just encourage the other defendants who are present to argue their cases rather than accepting a plea bargain.

Sometimes you just have to hang on for the ride!  This defendant did...

I wanted to let you know what happened in court.
I got there along with about 75 other people. I suppose these camera courts are more crowded because they're only held once a week, whereas the non-camera traffic infractions are held throughout the week.
The bailiff asked, "All those here for tickets in the City of ______ raise your hands." About half the people raised their hands. Then he did the same for [another town that's also served by the same court], and a number of people raised their hands.
Then a police officer comes up to me and says my name. I get up and approach him and ask, "How did you know who I was?" He said, "Your photo is on the ticket." I said, "Oh!" He asked if I wanted to view the video. I said, "Nah, I saw it." He showed me the ticket and asked if that was my photograph. I thought for a moment and said, "I don't have to tell you that." He said, "No you don't."
Then he went away briefly and came back with a piece of paper. He said, "I can read this at trial, or if you wish you can read it over now and sign it." I go sit down and read it. It's a brief list of the codes [that the town that ticketed me] followed in setting up their camera system. I realized it's not a legal document, he didn't sign it at all, let alone with a declaration of perjury, and direct knowledge that the items listed were true and correct, so I knew I could actually use that paper against him at trial. He never came back for it, and after about 45 minutes total sitting in the courtroom, the bailiff called my name, handed me a piece of paper and told me my case was dismissed.




Step 3:  The Not-Guilty Trial (cont'd)

(To be prepared in case the bailiff or the judge makes a general announcement that there is "no traffic school after trial," please read the traffic school
Editorial on the Links page, the materials linked at the end of it, and the traffic school info in the Preparing for Trial section, above.)

Once you have been called forward for your trial and are approaching the defense table, the officer (or the prosecutor, if there is one) will begin to present his case (he goes first because the burden is on him to prove your guilt).  He will be talking fast but this moment at the beginning of the trial is your last opportunity to do pre-trial motions such as a Peremptory Challenge, if you haven't filed it earlier (check the deadlines, on the Challenges page), and/or a
request for the trial to be recorded.  (If the trial is not being recorded, some judges will trample all over you.)  Also, if you requested Discovery from the prosecutor, this would be your last opportunity to give the officer/prosecutor any documents you need to Discover to him.  Since these things need to be done right away, you will need to interrupt the officer's spiel, before he gets more than a few words out.  "Your Honor..."

This would also be the time to ask for a